Portland: we don’t want Herro since he’s a shooting guard at 6’5 even though he’s a potent offensive player who hasn’t reached his prime and has all star potential.
But we’ll match Thybulle’s contract who is 6’5 and is a massive offensive liability especially in todays game
It's looking more and more like we get Lillard and for a lot less than our max package. Dame's determination to get here has been effective at scaring off other teams. It's gotten to the point where even Woj (the only reporter getting his information from Portland's front office and relaying it on their behalf) is saying that Portland might have to accept that Miami's offer is the best on the table.
My prediction for the package : Heat get their pick unlocked from OKC and send Herro, Duncan and 3 1sts out.
If we do that and keep Jovic and triple J I will do a triple Lindy. I'll miss Herro and will always root for Duncan. Hopefully Duncan getting in to a closer proximity to Alaska Emily finally pushes him to get those corn rows.
It's crazy that Portland is currently my closest NBA team, and it's still 1,000 miles away. All the more reason I should be furious that the Sonics moved to OKC.
But yes, if Duncan ends up on the Blazers, I may just have to plan a trip for next season's Miami-at-Portland game.
My boss has season tickets to the Blazers, and he gives me the Heat tickets every year. let me know if you make it out here, we can grab a beer at the Spirit of '77
In an effort to steer Damian Lillard to the Heat, agent Aaron Goodwin has been contacting other teams and warning them not to pursue a trade with the Trail Blazers, according to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowksi. Several executives around the league told Wojnarowski that Goodwin is claiming Lillard won’t be happy if he gets dealt anywhere but Miami.
General managers have insisted to Woj that the tactic is fairly common and won’t impact their interest in a potential Lillard deal. He remains under contract, and the opinion throughout the league is that he’ll play equally well no matter where he winds up.
The four-year, $176MM supermax extension that Lillard received last summer makes it more difficult for Portland to find value in return for its star guard, Wojnarowski adds. Although Lillard is under contract through 2026/27, his salary for that season will be more than $63MM, which a lot of teams don’t want to take onto their cap.
Some progress toward a Lillard deal could be made this week as executives gather for the Las Vegas Summer League, but Wojnarowski doesn’t expect a quick resolution. He suggests it may take most of the summer for Portland to find an acceptable offer and that Miami’s best chance could be for the process to drag on so long that other teams in the market for Lillard drop out of the bidding.
Yup. But the Celtics and Tatum trying to chirp. They are shitting in their pants at the possibility of Dame coming to Miami. As if the Ringer accolites wasn't bad enough trying to push the Heat's assests are garbage, now we have Ramona Shelbourne trying to peddle Celtics crap.
Before that she was saying how impressed Dame is with the Spurs organization, as if they are an option. She’s nothing else but a corporate media hack, just like Woj.
Holy crap! I just read what the Celtics offered the Blazers and ESPNortheast is saying it was a "compelling package". It was Brogdon and Robert Williams with some picks. Two broken ass players. Brogdon got played the eff off the floor vs the Heat. Holy crap!
You’re going to have one of the best players who ever played the game sit out of spite??? That would be the end of your franchise. Actually it wouldn’t be, because something that ridiculous will never happen. They may not ultimately trade him to the Heat, but they certainly wouldn’t sit him.
Wrong. Dame has been loyal for 11 years. Portland stabbed him in the back this off-season. I hope he makes The Blazers uncomfortable as hell for the BS they're pulling. Beat it.
Then you just aren't that intelligent. And have little strategic awareness. They drafted a player that plays the same position. And you think strong a person that makes that type of money is smart... Your life must be on shambles using that type of logic.
I watched Mo Bamba during his short stint with the Lakers, he's easily one of the worst NBA players I've ever seen. I would make fun of Philly, but the reality is that he's a minimum contract guy that will only ever play in practice against Embiid. So I'll just wait for them to trade Harden for a bag of donuts and then make fun of them for that
Up to now. But I view it through what could Spo do with this guy? Nurse can probably make him a contributor a few mins a game. Spo would make Bamba land a huge contract after one year ;)
I think Boston is losing some of it's soul. I could be wrong and Tatum, Brown and Porzingis form some crazy big 3 and steamroll the east, but I doubt it. I think they might struggle more than people expect. We'll see and won't feel bad at all if I'm correct :P
Us bashing Porzingus is like Boston fans bashing Herro. Porzingus is a solid player, who will help them. Losing Smart hurts, but Boston has two other PG's in White and Brogdon (although his health has come into question). I think losing Williams would hurt, but their coach (who I don't think highly of) opted not to play him towards the end of the season and in the first two rounds of the playoffs anyway.
I think Porzingis is a good player, but the Heat beat Boston last season because the Heat out-hustled and outworked the Celtics. So what did the Celtics do? They got rid of their two hardest working hustle players. I feel better about playing against them next year than I have at any point in the last four years, and the Heat won 2 out of 3 of those. hopefully we get to see them again in the ECF
I agree. Glad Smart is gone. But Porzingus is almost as effective. Still, a small step back for the C's, makes them a tiny bit less formidable. The same can be said for Philly and Milwaukee. All three took a little step back in my opinion. .
said he's heard the Nets would have interest in acquiring Tyler Herro:
“It’s been reported that the Nets would have interest in Herro, and I have heard that as well. They offloaded three contracts in the last few days… They're actually a candidate to make a trade where they bring in more salary than they send out.”
Sounds like the Heat are starting to play San Antonio and Brooklyn off each other to get the best offer in a Herro trade. So much for Herro 'not having any trade value'
I'm with you. But trading Tyler is the cost of getting Dame.
I think Tyler is being severely undervalued around the league. I kinda want him to go to San Antonio because I legitimately think he can turn into an all-star level player while he's there. If the Dame trade doesn't happen, I won't be too upset, because that means the Heat are keeping Super Herro
if the comments are coming from Chris Haynes, you can bet it is coming straight from Dame. For now (important qualifier) he said he only wants to play for Miami. It's based on his time with Bam at the Olympics, aka the LeBron/Wade/Bosh special.
If the comments come from Woj, you can bet they're coming from the Portland front office. His latest report is that Miami is the only real candidate, but the Blazers are going to take their time. I'm willing to bet we've got until the end of Vegas summer league before anything happens.
As for the Miami front office, they are a much tighter lipped ship. I don't know how true this "Five Teams" rumor is, but I trust that the Heat could trade Herro for picks if that's what it takes to get this deal done.
Just the media trying to literally talk the blazers out of trading with the heat is all it is, and honestly I have never seen anything like it honestly
This is the wildest thing to hear coming from a majority of the ringer staff who've spoken or written on the subject.
It's actually changed my perception of their basketball opinions. Because it has nothing to do with the on court fit, has nothing to do with quality analysis of Herro, or the new CBA impacts, or anything of substance.
It's literally just we think Maxey is better than Herro--like listing career stats and ignoring the advanced metrics that rate Herro as a more impactful player. And any team not named Miami really should trade for him. And Lillard is fraudulent for signing the extension and then asking for a trade, a season after he went absolutely bonkers offensively and Portland tried to shut him down so they could tank and then drafted his replacement and then gave 32 million a year to Jerami Grant.
I mean Utah, UTAH!? As a Dame destination? From the same publication that rightfully so wrote eloquently about the virulent racism (of some) Utah court side fans. THATS a team you think SHOULD get Dame?
Sorry I'm mad about their writing because they're one of the few non-paywall sites that usually has great basketball content.
Lillard has largely been out of the radar of controversy throughout his career, it will be interesting to see if tarnishing his image won't be part of the play book used against him in this process.
Funny that last weekend, the Blazers were leaking to ESPN every team that called them for a trade and leaking that they weren't interested in Herro and leaking that they wanted Brooklyn involved.
The only leak coming out of the Heat organization is the number of teams that are interested. Any guess about who the five are? I would guess: Brooklyn, Utah, San Antonio, OKC, and Memphis
Technically, you’re right. But it would leave a nasty stain on your franchise that would take years to go away, if ever.
Wade left in free agency when the Heat didn’t want to pay him the money he wanted. At that point, he wasn’t worth the amount he sought, but it turned out to be a really bad PR nightmare for the Heat until we brought him back a couple years later.
The Blazers thought the Globetrotters were going to offer them a bunch of first round draft picks for Dame, but it turned out to be a bucket of confetti
Just heard on ESPN that the Blazers do not have any responsibility to reward Dame for his longterm loyalty to the Blazers and hence, no obligation to trade Dame to his desired destination. However, the same talk heads are the first to demand that a player should perennially renew his contract with the team that drafted him to show his loyalty to the team and fans. Ridiculous arguement to reward the owners' sense of entitlement , imho.
I saw something similar. The counterpoint was - how about AD? How about Harden? How about Durant? Why was the league, talking heads, and fans, perfectly all right with those superstar demands? Very hypocritical.
I could be wrong, but my gut says Wood and Saric are waiting out this Dame trade. Warriors said they want to sign Saric and yet he hasn't. There has been zero on Wood. I could see the team letting them know if they don't get blown away by some offer coming to play for a title contender and rebuild your value is a attractive proposition. Be patient and wait it out, guys ;)
Good luck to Blazer and Heat fans, no matter how this all turns out.
Portland: we don’t want Herro since he’s a shooting guard at 6’5 even though he’s a potent offensive player who hasn’t reached his prime and has all star potential.
But we’ll match Thybulle’s contract who is 6’5 and is a massive offensive liability especially in todays game
As I discussed with Big_guy305 yesterday, NBA owners should be able to sue GM’s for malpractice, lol.
Then, overblown trade packages (Durant, Gobert, etc.) and dumb moves, like the one mentioned here would have consequences.
Captain Cronin at it again. No depth too deep for this Titan
In the profound words of Forest Gump, “Stupid is as stupid does.”
It's looking more and more like we get Lillard and for a lot less than our max package. Dame's determination to get here has been effective at scaring off other teams. It's gotten to the point where even Woj (the only reporter getting his information from Portland's front office and relaying it on their behalf) is saying that Portland might have to accept that Miami's offer is the best on the table.
My prediction for the package : Heat get their pick unlocked from OKC and send Herro, Duncan and 3 1sts out.
I agree but also think we send out Jovic and Lowry and take back Nurkic
I want Nurkic in a Heat uniform.
good news, the Blazers probably want Nurkic in a Heat uniform also
I like Nurkic too.
I wonder if that's why San Antonio has rumored to be involved, so Nurkic gets rerouted there.
I think the Spurs would be happy to take Nurkic or Herro, and have the cap space to absorb them without sending out any salary
If we do that and keep Jovic and triple J I will do a triple Lindy. I'll miss Herro and will always root for Duncan. Hopefully Duncan getting in to a closer proximity to Alaska Emily finally pushes him to get those corn rows.
It's crazy that Portland is currently my closest NBA team, and it's still 1,000 miles away. All the more reason I should be furious that the Sonics moved to OKC.
But yes, if Duncan ends up on the Blazers, I may just have to plan a trip for next season's Miami-at-Portland game.
My boss has season tickets to the Blazers, and he gives me the Heat tickets every year. let me know if you make it out here, we can grab a beer at the Spirit of '77
In an effort to steer Damian Lillard to the Heat, agent Aaron Goodwin has been contacting other teams and warning them not to pursue a trade with the Trail Blazers, according to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowksi. Several executives around the league told Wojnarowski that Goodwin is claiming Lillard won’t be happy if he gets dealt anywhere but Miami.
General managers have insisted to Woj that the tactic is fairly common and won’t impact their interest in a potential Lillard deal. He remains under contract, and the opinion throughout the league is that he’ll play equally well no matter where he winds up.
The four-year, $176MM supermax extension that Lillard received last summer makes it more difficult for Portland to find value in return for its star guard, Wojnarowski adds. Although Lillard is under contract through 2026/27, his salary for that season will be more than $63MM, which a lot of teams don’t want to take onto their cap.
Some progress toward a Lillard deal could be made this week as executives gather for the Las Vegas Summer League, but Wojnarowski doesn’t expect a quick resolution. He suggests it may take most of the summer for Portland to find an acceptable offer and that Miami’s best chance could be for the process to drag on so long that other teams in the market for Lillard drop out of the bidding.
Hey Dan, as a Miamian living in Australia this publication is a blessing! Haha not happy that there’s five teams after Dame!
No. 5 teams might be part of a large trade to make it all happen
Ohh shiii! That has to be a record
Yup. But the Celtics and Tatum trying to chirp. They are shitting in their pants at the possibility of Dame coming to Miami. As if the Ringer accolites wasn't bad enough trying to push the Heat's assests are garbage, now we have Ramona Shelbourne trying to peddle Celtics crap.
Before that she was saying how impressed Dame is with the Spurs organization, as if they are an option. She’s nothing else but a corporate media hack, just like Woj.
Holy crap! I just read what the Celtics offered the Blazers and ESPNortheast is saying it was a "compelling package". It was Brogdon and Robert Williams with some picks. Two broken ass players. Brogdon got played the eff off the floor vs the Heat. Holy crap!
I'd eat the money and just have him sit in Portland, he doesn't have a choice were he goes!!!!
You’re going to have one of the best players who ever played the game sit out of spite??? That would be the end of your franchise. Actually it wouldn’t be, because something that ridiculous will never happen. They may not ultimately trade him to the Heat, but they certainly wouldn’t sit him.
Wrong. Dame has been loyal for 11 years. Portland stabbed him in the back this off-season. I hope he makes The Blazers uncomfortable as hell for the BS they're pulling. Beat it.
Then you just aren't that intelligent. And have little strategic awareness. They drafted a player that plays the same position. And you think strong a person that makes that type of money is smart... Your life must be on shambles using that type of logic.
jovic the new nowitzki
Shhhhhhhhhh
Mo Bamba on a 1 year deal to Philly. I like the move. That being said, eff Philly!
I watched Mo Bamba during his short stint with the Lakers, he's easily one of the worst NBA players I've ever seen. I would make fun of Philly, but the reality is that he's a minimum contract guy that will only ever play in practice against Embiid. So I'll just wait for them to trade Harden for a bag of donuts and then make fun of them for that
Up to now. But I view it through what could Spo do with this guy? Nurse can probably make him a contributor a few mins a game. Spo would make Bamba land a huge contract after one year ;)
Hey, hey, hey. Harden is worth at least *two* bags of donuts.
He looks like he eats two bags of donuts
And Grant Williams to Mavs
I think Boston is losing some of it's soul. I could be wrong and Tatum, Brown and Porzingis form some crazy big 3 and steamroll the east, but I doubt it. I think they might struggle more than people expect. We'll see and won't feel bad at all if I'm correct :P
yeah i agree. They just traded their two most hard-nosed player for a 7-footer that won't go into the paint.
Us bashing Porzingus is like Boston fans bashing Herro. Porzingus is a solid player, who will help them. Losing Smart hurts, but Boston has two other PG's in White and Brogdon (although his health has come into question). I think losing Williams would hurt, but their coach (who I don't think highly of) opted not to play him towards the end of the season and in the first two rounds of the playoffs anyway.
I think Porzingis is a good player, but the Heat beat Boston last season because the Heat out-hustled and outworked the Celtics. So what did the Celtics do? They got rid of their two hardest working hustle players. I feel better about playing against them next year than I have at any point in the last four years, and the Heat won 2 out of 3 of those. hopefully we get to see them again in the ECF
rather have porzingis than smart or williams
I'd rather have Smart than any of those guys. I'm glad he's off the Celtics roster
I agree. Glad Smart is gone. But Porzingus is almost as effective. Still, a small step back for the C's, makes them a tiny bit less formidable. The same can be said for Philly and Milwaukee. All three took a little step back in my opinion. .
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said he's heard the Nets would have interest in acquiring Tyler Herro:
“It’s been reported that the Nets would have interest in Herro, and I have heard that as well. They offloaded three contracts in the last few days… They're actually a candidate to make a trade where they bring in more salary than they send out.”
Slowly it’s starting to unfold
Sounds like the Heat are starting to play San Antonio and Brooklyn off each other to get the best offer in a Herro trade. So much for Herro 'not having any trade value'
Why herro?? Hes a lifer damn ill be sad if hes gone
I'm with you. But trading Tyler is the cost of getting Dame.
I think Tyler is being severely undervalued around the league. I kinda want him to go to San Antonio because I legitimately think he can turn into an all-star level player while he's there. If the Dame trade doesn't happen, I won't be too upset, because that means the Heat are keeping Super Herro
One question did really dame said that he wants to play in miami ?? Or the media spice it out??
if the comments are coming from Chris Haynes, you can bet it is coming straight from Dame. For now (important qualifier) he said he only wants to play for Miami. It's based on his time with Bam at the Olympics, aka the LeBron/Wade/Bosh special.
If the comments come from Woj, you can bet they're coming from the Portland front office. His latest report is that Miami is the only real candidate, but the Blazers are going to take their time. I'm willing to bet we've got until the end of Vegas summer league before anything happens.
As for the Miami front office, they are a much tighter lipped ship. I don't know how true this "Five Teams" rumor is, but I trust that the Heat could trade Herro for picks if that's what it takes to get this deal done.
Just the media trying to literally talk the blazers out of trading with the heat is all it is, and honestly I have never seen anything like it honestly
This is the wildest thing to hear coming from a majority of the ringer staff who've spoken or written on the subject.
It's actually changed my perception of their basketball opinions. Because it has nothing to do with the on court fit, has nothing to do with quality analysis of Herro, or the new CBA impacts, or anything of substance.
It's literally just we think Maxey is better than Herro--like listing career stats and ignoring the advanced metrics that rate Herro as a more impactful player. And any team not named Miami really should trade for him. And Lillard is fraudulent for signing the extension and then asking for a trade, a season after he went absolutely bonkers offensively and Portland tried to shut him down so they could tank and then drafted his replacement and then gave 32 million a year to Jerami Grant.
I mean Utah, UTAH!? As a Dame destination? From the same publication that rightfully so wrote eloquently about the virulent racism (of some) Utah court side fans. THATS a team you think SHOULD get Dame?
Sorry I'm mad about their writing because they're one of the few non-paywall sites that usually has great basketball content.
Lillard has largely been out of the radar of controversy throughout his career, it will be interesting to see if tarnishing his image won't be part of the play book used against him in this process.
In Pat we trust.
til the last breath
Fingers still crossed, starting to cramp.
Funny that last weekend, the Blazers were leaking to ESPN every team that called them for a trade and leaking that they weren't interested in Herro and leaking that they wanted Brooklyn involved.
The only leak coming out of the Heat organization is the number of teams that are interested. Any guess about who the five are? I would guess: Brooklyn, Utah, San Antonio, OKC, and Memphis
If the leaks from Blazers are not a form of tampering, i.e manipulating the field, I wonder what is.
Dame asked out with years left, the blazer can do whatever they want with him. He's under contract he will go were he's sent!
Just fyi, it’s where, not were.
Technically, you’re right. But it would leave a nasty stain on your franchise that would take years to go away, if ever.
Wade left in free agency when the Heat didn’t want to pay him the money he wanted. At that point, he wasn’t worth the amount he sought, but it turned out to be a really bad PR nightmare for the Heat until we brought him back a couple years later.
You obviously aren't familiar with the NBA.
Well, the Washington Generals have been trying to get past the Globetrotters for a very long time, so maybe they’ve put out some feelers too.
The Blazers thought the Globetrotters were going to offer them a bunch of first round draft picks for Dame, but it turned out to be a bucket of confetti
Lol!
They beat them in 1971 granted Curly Neal did not play that game.
They did better without Curly because he doesn’t play defense. Just another one trick pony.
last name herro or robinson
Ridiculous .
Just heard on ESPN that the Blazers do not have any responsibility to reward Dame for his longterm loyalty to the Blazers and hence, no obligation to trade Dame to his desired destination. However, the same talk heads are the first to demand that a player should perennially renew his contract with the team that drafted him to show his loyalty to the team and fans. Ridiculous arguement to reward the owners' sense of entitlement , imho.
If dame had said he preferred to get sent to the lakers espn would rejoice
Shocking, the network that just laid off a bunch of it's employees doesn't think management has any responsibility to their employees.
I saw something similar. The counterpoint was - how about AD? How about Harden? How about Durant? Why was the league, talking heads, and fans, perfectly all right with those superstar demands? Very hypocritical.
I could be wrong, but my gut says Wood and Saric are waiting out this Dame trade. Warriors said they want to sign Saric and yet he hasn't. There has been zero on Wood. I could see the team letting them know if they don't get blown away by some offer coming to play for a title contender and rebuild your value is a attractive proposition. Be patient and wait it out, guys ;)
With 5 or more teams wanting in on Tyler the narrative has suddenly swung to it being just a matter of time now.
The rest of the free agents are waiting on this deal to go through so they can decide where to go.
Riley probably offered 3 g league players and Kyle to hold his best offer for last.
Let’s not forget Riley orchestrated the largest NBA trade in history in 2005.
5 teams
13 players
Riley is telling everyone to hold his beer…
And remind me, how did the Heat do after making that trade?
since nobody wanted to hit the softball I lofted up there, they won the Title the year after making that trade
Git R done!!!