If he takes back a bad return for Dame, his career as a GM is effectively over.
Cronin is in a losing situation since he won’t get anything else but Miami’s offer. He’s over a barrel and he’s sure to get outdueled by DOLLA in this staredown. He’ll wait as long as he can but it won’t change anything, since DOLLA will only play for one team. That’s the caveat here and if you’re unwilling to accept that then we’re done here, there’s no reason to argue anymore about it since I’m of the belief that DOLLA will stick it out even if it means sitting out training camp.
I’ve already said why Cronin will look bad if he plays petty and refuses to do right by DOLLA. He will get roasted by the national media, who will have enough info to know Joe is just being petty, when there are no other offers coming in. Also, I believe Joe has to do right by DOLLA in order to make himself look good. He’s no Danny Ainge, Morey, Riley or Popp and has very little respect around the league and will only be seen as petty if he treats DOLLA like he’s Ben Simmons. He will also want to have an amicable outcome between the team and its favorite player. There’s no way Cronin will make DOLLA sit out a year. He’s not big enough to do that, no matter what bluff comes out of his mouth about how long this could take.
Every time I think bias and stupidity can’t get worse, there is this from Jeff Teague:
“D-Wade has Shaq and Bron. He ain’t never really been by himself. When the Miami Heat were by themselves, they were trash. Harden is better, bro. I am sorry,” Teague said
I have no problem with anyone feeling Harden is/was better than Wade (though I don’t agree).
Note to Teague:
Harden had Durant and Westbrook - won nothing.
Harden had Durant and Irving - won nothing.
Harden had Embiid and Maxey (and others) - won nothing.
I remember a timeout from the 2022 playoffs second round. Dont remember which game, but miami was getting up to a double digit lead in the second half. The studio broadcast brought up the miami bench where spo was telling the boys to build the lead to 16-18 points. He kepts saying "so they see it and feel it". He slipped a bit and said "sp James sees it."
Spo knew you show beardo a semi-intimidating obstacle and he's gna call a uber. That's a real life NBA coach talking about a former MVP.
You would show some reserve talking like that about the last dude on the bench on the skyforce is what I'm saying.
Oh wow... You would imagine role players in the league would take offense to being dismissed as non-entities. There goes Jeff, just straight anihilating the sheer existence of whole rosters including prime dwight howard
Kyle Lowry, Nikola Jovic and 2 picks for Lillard. It has to be Cronin take it or move on. Kyle will be an excellent mentor. Nikola and 2 picks will add to Portland's freshmen. I will not include Martin or Duncan in any deal. Feeding Cronin's greed achieves nothing for Miami. If Martin gives away too much, it will need at least 2 years to develop and replace those players, because that is how long it took to develop Duncan and Martin into rotational players.So forget competing for championship this coming season or the next.And then Lillard will be 35 and probably receiving the torch from Butler who won't be able to give you solid 30 minutes in 2 years.Miami think now and your prospect in 2 years!
Kyle Lowry, Caleb Martin, Nikola Jovic and 3 picks for Lillard. Lowry is on expiring contract and can be an excellent mentor to Scoot Henderson and Portland's young guards and locker room presence. Martin is a good rotation player/possible starter. Jovic is a good young player to develop. NBA is going to price itself out of existence.
P.S. No athlete is worth $60 million a year, guaranteed! What are they going to pay Luca, Jokic and Greek Freak $100M?
Considering what Portland wants, Miami could wind up keeping Herro and instead give up a player and a pick and get a starting quality PG. There are few teams out there who would do the trade.
Ty is gone now or soon he will demand a trade. His morale won't be the same. It's never good to be mentioned in a trade that falls through. What Portland wants for Dame, is a mischaracrerization of what their immediate and future plan for Dame was before his request for a trade. Let's get that straight. He was not so much valued as they now make it out to be, if he were he would have been traded a longtime ago. It is no secret that Dame stayed so long in Portland because he was the fans favorite and any trade would have hurt Portland economically in terms of ticket sales and revenue. And Portland did not want to mess that up with a Dame trade. The difference now is that Dame requested for the trade and that hurt the fans, just like LeBron 's 2014 decision hurt his fans base in Cleveland and Akron. Portland is using the fans emotions as an excuse to cash in and to stick it out to Dame and Miami.Cronin would not have dared to irate the fans, if Dame did not request for a trade. In reality, how many teams can offer what Cronin wants. None. Not to talk of risking it with a disgruntled, Dame. My prediction is that Cronin will lower his asking price to other teams to get rid of Dame and avoid a crisis in Portland's locker room but Dame has to agree signing with this team with a reconstructed contract that will see him leaving for Miami in a season or two, during which time that other team will try to convince him to stay.
It is all very clear to me now what happened. It's also clear to Dame and to some Portland fans.
Portland's owner/management convinced Dame to extend his contract with the promise/commitment to recruit/build a contending team around him. They did this knowing full well that they had every intention of re-building for the future and not building a contender around him, as promised/committed.
When Portland did finally reveal their rebuilding plans by their actions, they banked on Dame becoming upset and demanding a trade. They "assumed" he would provide a list of several contending teams he would be willing to be traded to. They further assumed they would be able to offer him to the highest bidder and make an enormous haul in players and draft picks (ala Durant, Gobert, Mitchell, etc.). They thought wrong!
As expected, once Dame realized he had been deceived/lied to, he did ask/demand to be traded to a contending team. However, what Portland's owner/management did not bank on was that he would insist on being traded to only one team, Miami!
This entire clusterf&%k could have been avoided if Portland's owner/ management had only been up front with Dame about their rebuilding plans before the draft and given him an opportunity to provide a list of contending teams he would accept a trade to. Since it didn't go down that way, everyone is now having to deal with the fallout of that miscalculation ...most of all the Portland fans.
Jody Allen and John Cronin are now going to have to bite the bullet and accept a less than optimal trade package for Dame because of their own miscalculations and incompetence. Portland fans deserve better than these two pendejos. Allen needs to sell the team and allow for a fresh beginning for the organization and the fans. As for Miami fans, we just need to be patient and let this thing play itself out. One way or another, Miami is not through putting together a championship contender for 2023-2024!
Funny thing is, if they knew that, they shouldn’t have given him the extension. There would be more teams interested and more offered if he only had 2 years left on his contract. Those final 2 years has actually made him less valuable due to the amount and his age.
Precisely so, they undervalued him in their scheme of things and when he decided that he does not want to be part of their scheme, they inflate their valuation of him.
It's time teams start paying fans for the most passionate posts, if there is that much money to give away. Arguable, these posts keep players happy too.Also coaches, recruiting departments and FO find these posts some entertaining, some resentful but a worthwhile resource that they get for free.
I agree throwing all this money around is crazy... it is new nba, especially since he only made an all nba 2nd team and only 2 all stars. Its scary for the future of the league, if he already getting the richest deal in nba history smh. His biggest weakness is handling( got no left hand game) turnovers, and inconsistency in the big moments. Miami heat exploited that weakness very well. Now some Boston fans like Perkins are clamoring about how they gotta get more then one championship for them to be successful lol. I could see brown traded in maybe 2 or 3 years because they ain't beating the nuggets or there east rival...HEAT BABY!
Nobody says it, but the current commissioner is an idiot. He has led the league into this current path of destruction. His and his staffs negotiations with NBAPA have been abysmal, so to try to make up for it he sells the owners on multi-level cap structure. It's too late, the floodgates are open.
Nope. Riley knows something we don't know. He should have gone top 6 or so. Several other teams also passed on him. Sometimes, it's not the game that's the problem; it's the head.
Sometimes I think about the Heat after Jimmy Butler leaves, and they've got Bam, Caleb, Jamie J, and Herro. Dunan and Jovic off the bench. Not a bad young core. If the Dame trade doesn't work out and the Heat trade Lowry and a future first for a couple young guards to fill out the roster, I'll be happy with that
Riley needs to drive a hard bargin! Only for Sharpe and pick swaps and future first round picks! Heat have the leverage in any Jamie J trade! Heat can bench him for years if they have to!
As Portland delays trading Dame as long as they want and Dame decides to sit it out, will he be getting paid by Portland or it a case of no work, no pay for Dame.?Please, someone help me understand this.
When it happened to Simmons, they withheld his $20 million pay. He sued and they settled for an undisclosed amount. Of course, Simmons is no Lillard, a guy who has played hard and been loyal to his team for 11 years. They can withhold his money, but if we think it’s ugly now, it’ll get exponentially worse if Portland tries that.
Dru: “Miami’s frustrated w/ how things are moving slowly. Portland’s telling them bring us your best offer. MIA would like to know what Portland wants & MIA isn’t getting that answer. Heat feel like things could be moving quicker if Portland said exactly what they want” @ChrisBHaynes
Portland trying to slow play hoping Dame changes his mind. Ha! Yeah that should help
Portland is waiting for Miami's best offer so they can run to other teams and ask them to beat it so they can then come back to Miami and squeeze even more out of them. This isn't the Godfather's first rodeo. Joe Cronin is already behind the 8-ball after lying to Lillard about building a contending team around him immediately before going into full rebuild mode by drafting Dame's replacement. Patience is a virtue.
yeah I think we're starting to mirror the Jimmy Butler in Minnesota situation. Riley won't let this drag into the season, he'll commit to his players if he can't get a trade done. Let someone else overpay for him and get him for a fraction of the cost the following season.
Former Brooklyn Nets guard Edmond Sumner has drawn exploratory interest from the Hornets, Bucks, Raptors, Heat, and Suns since becoming a free agent, league sources told HoopsHype.
As is, Miami is favored to be a top three team in the East. Riley has until the trade deadline to make a move. With Lowry's expiring contract, a veteran/battle tested team, young assets and draft picks to wheel and deal with, he is in no rush.
As far as depth, they have a plethora of veterans (Butler, Bam, Herro, Lowry, Martin, Bryant, Love, Richardson) and are developing up-and-coming undrafted players all the time (e.g. Orlando Robinson, Cain, Highsmith, and others) not to mention young studs like Jaquez and Jovic.
As far as a waiting game, Miami has a ton of time to wait. However, the clock is ticking on Allen/Cronin. After all, Allen/Cronin promised Lillard that if he signed the extension, they would build a contending team around him before he retired. Now, we all now see what a crock that turned out to be...most of all Dame.
Riley is as patient as they come. If this deal eventually falls through, he'll find another quality PG elsewhere to trade for over the next 7 months. Meanwhile, he'll just wait until Allen/Cronin come around. Remember, it was Dame who picked Miami...not the other way around.
I regret that I can only give this comment 1 like/rec! It totally encapsulates my feelings and, more so, the reality of the situation. This team will be competitive no matter what happens. They’ll be fun to watch. I don’t assume what level they will or will not achieve. I’ll enjoy the ride wherever it takes them.
Some media are already reporting Cronin is just "trying to milk this Dame situation" that there's already a reasonable deal. Blazers fans are increasingly getting agitated with the Heat crying for a "better deal". Lots of them really heartbroken abt the separation hoping they'll get something good in return. That "good" seems too much that's why this is dragging on.
I think the math is pretty tricky from the side of Blazers fans. Over the past year, there have basically been two camps. One side that wanted to trade Dame and fully commit to the rebuild, and one side that wanted to trade the draft pick and fully commit to Dame (as a Blazers fan that grew up watching Pat Riley run the Heat, I was obviously on the side of trading the pick and building around Dame).
Once the Blazers decided to keep the pick and not only commit to a rebuild, but actually used the pick to draft Dame's replacement, the writing was on the wall. Everyone knew the Blazers needed to trade Dame and commit to the rebuild. Everyone including Dame. The only person who doesn't seem to see it is the Blazers GM.
Now this is where things get tricky. The GM (Cronin) basically said he wouldn't trade Dame unless Dame asked for a trade, so Dame asked to be traded to Miami. Fans are upset because they want a huge return for one of the greatest players in franchise history, and it doesn't look like they're going to get it. Maybe it's because of his age and contract, maybe its because they have an incompetent GM. But when you're angry and looking for someone to blame, the easiest explanation is that it's because Dame only wants to go to Miami and Miami doesn't want to gut their team for Dame.
With that in mind, it's almost impossible to come up with a trade that works for Miami that won't enrage Blazers fans. Lots of them are already saying they'd rather do a worse trade just so they don't send Dame to Miami. Fortunately for the Heat, the fans aren't the ones that are making the trade. But unfortunately for the Heat, it's hard to envision a scenario where Cronin sends Dame to Miami for a reasonable and realistic trade and doesn't get absolutely roasted by the fans, which is one of the reasons he's afraid to pull the trigger on a trade.
I enjoy being a fan of the Heat and a fan of the Blazers. I haven't really enjoyed watching this trade unfold, it feels like the incompetence of the Cronin administration that has ruined the last two years of Blazers basketball is now starting to effect the Heat as well. I definitely watch more Blazers games in the regular season, and watch more Blazers games with my kids. But once the playoffs start, I watch way more Heat basketball, because the Heat usually go further.
One other thing, I have been on HHH for a long time. I used to talk Blazers on Twitter, but I quit twitter about a year ago, and this has been my first year on Blazers Edge. I can say with 100% certainty that i enjoy HHH way more than BE
Cronin knew what he was doing going in. At least he though he knew. He and the owner (Jody Allen) planned to rebuild from the beginning. The plan was to promise Dame to build a contender around him then to reneg on that promise. They knew this would piss Dame off and result in a trade request. Allen/Cronin then figured to put Dame out on the open market and get a huge haul like the ones paid for KD, Gobert and Mitchell, in order to kick-start their re-build.
Unfortunately for them, Dame threw a monkey wrench into their plans by demanding a trade...to one specific team...the Miami Heat. Furthermore, he limited their options by indicating he would not play for any other team.
The best laid plans of mice and men (and owners), sometimes don't work out as expected. Now Portland has a cancer growing in their organization and among their fanbase, all because the Portland owner and GM were not honest with Dame from the beginning about their intent to rebuild. Had they been, he could have given them a list of several contending teams he would agree to be traded to and Portland could have gotten that big haul they were expecting. Instead, they are now dealing with the fallout.
Portland fans should be in an uproar. Allen needs to sell the team to a more competent and proactive owner, as Phoenix did. Then and only then will things improve. Meanwhile, we all wait for the inevtable.
I'm of the opinion that Cronin has no idea what he's doing. Amongst most Portland fans, the theory is that they're trying to rebuild, but want to keep Dame to sell tickets. Lots of people want Jody Allen to sell the team, but I'm worried that will result in the leaving town
I don't doubt Allen will be looking to sell the team and the headache she created, in the not-too-distant future. I feel for the fans. I followed the Suns for over 40 years until I could no longer stomach the previous owner, Sarver and and the previous GM, McDonough. I've been a Heat fan since Dragic demanded to be traded to Miami after getting f'd over in Phoenix. Been happy ever since.
The blazers aren’t getting fair or equal trade value for Dame once the fan base(blazers)stop listening to the ESPN shills and fat slobs the better they’ll be
Maybe there is going to be a breakthough. NBA Trade Rumors: One Portland Trail Blazers reporter suggests that the Miami Heat and Blazers are close to a reasonable deal for Damian Lillard.
Meanwhile in Portlandia...
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If he takes back a bad return for Dame, his career as a GM is effectively over.
Cronin is in a losing situation since he won’t get anything else but Miami’s offer. He’s over a barrel and he’s sure to get outdueled by DOLLA in this staredown. He’ll wait as long as he can but it won’t change anything, since DOLLA will only play for one team. That’s the caveat here and if you’re unwilling to accept that then we’re done here, there’s no reason to argue anymore about it since I’m of the belief that DOLLA will stick it out even if it means sitting out training camp.
I’ve already said why Cronin will look bad if he plays petty and refuses to do right by DOLLA. He will get roasted by the national media, who will have enough info to know Joe is just being petty, when there are no other offers coming in. Also, I believe Joe has to do right by DOLLA in order to make himself look good. He’s no Danny Ainge, Morey, Riley or Popp and has very little respect around the league and will only be seen as petty if he treats DOLLA like he’s Ben Simmons. He will also want to have an amicable outcome between the team and its favorite player. There’s no way Cronin will make DOLLA sit out a year. He’s not big enough to do that, no matter what bluff comes out of his mouth about how long this could take.
Every time I think bias and stupidity can’t get worse, there is this from Jeff Teague:
“D-Wade has Shaq and Bron. He ain’t never really been by himself. When the Miami Heat were by themselves, they were trash. Harden is better, bro. I am sorry,” Teague said
I have no problem with anyone feeling Harden is/was better than Wade (though I don’t agree).
Note to Teague:
Harden had Durant and Westbrook - won nothing.
Harden had Durant and Irving - won nothing.
Harden had Embiid and Maxey (and others) - won nothing.
Wade is a winner. Harden is not.
I remember a timeout from the 2022 playoffs second round. Dont remember which game, but miami was getting up to a double digit lead in the second half. The studio broadcast brought up the miami bench where spo was telling the boys to build the lead to 16-18 points. He kepts saying "so they see it and feel it". He slipped a bit and said "sp James sees it."
Spo knew you show beardo a semi-intimidating obstacle and he's gna call a uber. That's a real life NBA coach talking about a former MVP.
You would show some reserve talking like that about the last dude on the bench on the skyforce is what I'm saying.
I think it was game 5. I'll try and find the clip
Oh wow... You would imagine role players in the league would take offense to being dismissed as non-entities. There goes Jeff, just straight anihilating the sheer existence of whole rosters including prime dwight howard
Kyle Lowry, Nikola Jovic and 2 picks for Lillard. It has to be Cronin take it or move on. Kyle will be an excellent mentor. Nikola and 2 picks will add to Portland's freshmen. I will not include Martin or Duncan in any deal. Feeding Cronin's greed achieves nothing for Miami. If Martin gives away too much, it will need at least 2 years to develop and replace those players, because that is how long it took to develop Duncan and Martin into rotational players.So forget competing for championship this coming season or the next.And then Lillard will be 35 and probably receiving the torch from Butler who won't be able to give you solid 30 minutes in 2 years.Miami think now and your prospect in 2 years!
Kyle Lowry, Caleb Martin, Nikola Jovic and 3 picks for Lillard. Lowry is on expiring contract and can be an excellent mentor to Scoot Henderson and Portland's young guards and locker room presence. Martin is a good rotation player/possible starter. Jovic is a good young player to develop. NBA is going to price itself out of existence.
P.S. No athlete is worth $60 million a year, guaranteed! What are they going to pay Luca, Jokic and Greek Freak $100M?
Too much to give away for one player. Lillard is a very good player no doubt but he is no Jordan, Larry or Kobe.
Considering what Portland wants, Miami could wind up keeping Herro and instead give up a player and a pick and get a starting quality PG. There are few teams out there who would do the trade.
Ty is gone now or soon he will demand a trade. His morale won't be the same. It's never good to be mentioned in a trade that falls through. What Portland wants for Dame, is a mischaracrerization of what their immediate and future plan for Dame was before his request for a trade. Let's get that straight. He was not so much valued as they now make it out to be, if he were he would have been traded a longtime ago. It is no secret that Dame stayed so long in Portland because he was the fans favorite and any trade would have hurt Portland economically in terms of ticket sales and revenue. And Portland did not want to mess that up with a Dame trade. The difference now is that Dame requested for the trade and that hurt the fans, just like LeBron 's 2014 decision hurt his fans base in Cleveland and Akron. Portland is using the fans emotions as an excuse to cash in and to stick it out to Dame and Miami.Cronin would not have dared to irate the fans, if Dame did not request for a trade. In reality, how many teams can offer what Cronin wants. None. Not to talk of risking it with a disgruntled, Dame. My prediction is that Cronin will lower his asking price to other teams to get rid of Dame and avoid a crisis in Portland's locker room but Dame has to agree signing with this team with a reconstructed contract that will see him leaving for Miami in a season or two, during which time that other team will try to convince him to stay.
It is all very clear to me now what happened. It's also clear to Dame and to some Portland fans.
Portland's owner/management convinced Dame to extend his contract with the promise/commitment to recruit/build a contending team around him. They did this knowing full well that they had every intention of re-building for the future and not building a contender around him, as promised/committed.
When Portland did finally reveal their rebuilding plans by their actions, they banked on Dame becoming upset and demanding a trade. They "assumed" he would provide a list of several contending teams he would be willing to be traded to. They further assumed they would be able to offer him to the highest bidder and make an enormous haul in players and draft picks (ala Durant, Gobert, Mitchell, etc.). They thought wrong!
As expected, once Dame realized he had been deceived/lied to, he did ask/demand to be traded to a contending team. However, what Portland's owner/management did not bank on was that he would insist on being traded to only one team, Miami!
This entire clusterf&%k could have been avoided if Portland's owner/ management had only been up front with Dame about their rebuilding plans before the draft and given him an opportunity to provide a list of contending teams he would accept a trade to. Since it didn't go down that way, everyone is now having to deal with the fallout of that miscalculation ...most of all the Portland fans.
Jody Allen and John Cronin are now going to have to bite the bullet and accept a less than optimal trade package for Dame because of their own miscalculations and incompetence. Portland fans deserve better than these two pendejos. Allen needs to sell the team and allow for a fresh beginning for the organization and the fans. As for Miami fans, we just need to be patient and let this thing play itself out. One way or another, Miami is not through putting together a championship contender for 2023-2024!
GO HEAT!!!
Funny thing is, if they knew that, they shouldn’t have given him the extension. There would be more teams interested and more offered if he only had 2 years left on his contract. Those final 2 years has actually made him less valuable due to the amount and his age.
Precisely so, they undervalued him in their scheme of things and when he decided that he does not want to be part of their scheme, they inflate their valuation of him.
Thus the term incompetence. The only ones they outsmarted were themselves.
Oooh I'd love to keep Tyler. But being a trade-dangle that might hurt ties.
It's professional sports. Shit happens.
Brown gets 60 mill. a year for next 5 years. Its not even top 10, maybe not 15 top player in the league.
There are 3,4 players in the league worth that money, and Brown (or Tatum) are not one of them.
Boston is done.
Boston is done alright, they won't have any depth and will be in cap purgatory for a very, very long time.
It's time teams start paying fans for the most passionate posts, if there is that much money to give away. Arguable, these posts keep players happy too.Also coaches, recruiting departments and FO find these posts some entertaining, some resentful but a worthwhile resource that they get for free.
If they pay fans for negative posts, hfl will be getting Jaylen Brown money! 😂
The league has gone crazy. Brown is between a B+ and A level player. He is nowhere near a superstar.
I agree throwing all this money around is crazy... it is new nba, especially since he only made an all nba 2nd team and only 2 all stars. Its scary for the future of the league, if he already getting the richest deal in nba history smh. His biggest weakness is handling( got no left hand game) turnovers, and inconsistency in the big moments. Miami heat exploited that weakness very well. Now some Boston fans like Perkins are clamoring about how they gotta get more then one championship for them to be successful lol. I could see brown traded in maybe 2 or 3 years because they ain't beating the nuggets or there east rival...HEAT BABY!
Nobody says it, but the current commissioner is an idiot. He has led the league into this current path of destruction. His and his staffs negotiations with NBAPA have been abysmal, so to try to make up for it he sells the owners on multi-level cap structure. It's too late, the floodgates are open.
Anyone surprised that Cam Whitmore dropped & the Heat didn't take him?
Just curious.
I think Jaquez will be a solid player, but I would’ve taken a flyer on Whitmore.
Nope. Riley knows something we don't know. He should have gone top 6 or so. Several other teams also passed on him. Sometimes, it's not the game that's the problem; it's the head.
Sometimes I think about the Heat after Jimmy Butler leaves, and they've got Bam, Caleb, Jamie J, and Herro. Dunan and Jovic off the bench. Not a bad young core. If the Dame trade doesn't work out and the Heat trade Lowry and a future first for a couple young guards to fill out the roster, I'll be happy with that
He’s about to be traded to the Blazers. I will leave it at that.
Riley needs to drive a hard bargin! Only for Sharpe and pick swaps and future first round picks! Heat have the leverage in any Jamie J trade! Heat can bench him for years if they have to!
Too bad there's no sarcasm font on HHH
Ooh, muy misterioso!
As Portland delays trading Dame as long as they want and Dame decides to sit it out, will he be getting paid by Portland or it a case of no work, no pay for Dame.?Please, someone help me understand this.
When it happened to Simmons, they withheld his $20 million pay. He sued and they settled for an undisclosed amount. Of course, Simmons is no Lillard, a guy who has played hard and been loyal to his team for 11 years. They can withhold his money, but if we think it’s ugly now, it’ll get exponentially worse if Portland tries that.
Thanks.
This article pretty much sums it up. Making promises to Lillard about building a contending team around him, giving Jerimi Grant a $160M extension, then drafting Dame's replacement and going into full re-build mode, sounds like total incompetence to me. The Blazers obviously don't know what the hell they are doing. No wonder they are pegged to finish in bottom 4 in the West. https://sircharlesincharge.com/2023/07/21/nba-trade-rumors-blazers-not-serious-damian-lillard/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email&sc=e0273490fd355e2c28bdb25751d41af65a4dd80936ff00a80be9866c97887955
That article proposed some interesting trades. The one with Finley Smith seems a good one.
FS is a good player.
How about this one? Still need a PG though. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/the-all-in-trade-for-the-miami-heat-pascal-siakam-takes-them-to-the-next-level/ar-AA1e93fm?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=239d78c1f788460dbc3be28cfe487b07&ei=30
Or this one? https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/proposed-trade-sends-joel-embiid-to-sixers-conference-rival/ar-AA1e5shQ?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=239d78c1f788460dbc3be28cfe487b07&ei=38
Thinking big, huh?
I m not sure how Siakam, Butler and Bam would play together. And the price is too high.
Embiid? I like Bam more, but of course, Embiid is a better player.
Dru: “Miami’s frustrated w/ how things are moving slowly. Portland’s telling them bring us your best offer. MIA would like to know what Portland wants & MIA isn’t getting that answer. Heat feel like things could be moving quicker if Portland said exactly what they want” @ChrisBHaynes
Portland trying to slow play hoping Dame changes his mind. Ha! Yeah that should help
Bam. It’s that simple.
Lol! No. Dream on. If Bam is traded, it’ll be for Embiid, a better, younger player.
Portland is waiting for Miami's best offer so they can run to other teams and ask them to beat it so they can then come back to Miami and squeeze even more out of them. This isn't the Godfather's first rodeo. Joe Cronin is already behind the 8-ball after lying to Lillard about building a contending team around him immediately before going into full rebuild mode by drafting Dame's replacement. Patience is a virtue.
I think this deal either happens in September, or it doesn't happen at all
Before opening of training camp.
yeah I think we're starting to mirror the Jimmy Butler in Minnesota situation. Riley won't let this drag into the season, he'll commit to his players if he can't get a trade done. Let someone else overpay for him and get him for a fraction of the cost the following season.
He's on a four year $200+M extension (until he turns 37 in 2026-2027)
Former Brooklyn Nets guard Edmond Sumner has drawn exploratory interest from the Hornets, Bucks, Raptors, Heat, and Suns since becoming a free agent, league sources told HoopsHype.
Source: Michael Scotto @ HoopsHype
As is, Miami is favored to be a top three team in the East. Riley has until the trade deadline to make a move. With Lowry's expiring contract, a veteran/battle tested team, young assets and draft picks to wheel and deal with, he is in no rush.
As far as depth, they have a plethora of veterans (Butler, Bam, Herro, Lowry, Martin, Bryant, Love, Richardson) and are developing up-and-coming undrafted players all the time (e.g. Orlando Robinson, Cain, Highsmith, and others) not to mention young studs like Jaquez and Jovic.
As far as a waiting game, Miami has a ton of time to wait. However, the clock is ticking on Allen/Cronin. After all, Allen/Cronin promised Lillard that if he signed the extension, they would build a contending team around him before he retired. Now, we all now see what a crock that turned out to be...most of all Dame.
Riley is as patient as they come. If this deal eventually falls through, he'll find another quality PG elsewhere to trade for over the next 7 months. Meanwhile, he'll just wait until Allen/Cronin come around. Remember, it was Dame who picked Miami...not the other way around.
I regret that I can only give this comment 1 like/rec! It totally encapsulates my feelings and, more so, the reality of the situation. This team will be competitive no matter what happens. They’ll be fun to watch. I don’t assume what level they will or will not achieve. I’ll enjoy the ride wherever it takes them.
I'm really looking forward to this season with the team we have. Just need one more trade. Just one more.
We will need another point guard from the bench.
There are a few out there via free agency or trade. Detroit and a few other teams have a surplus of PGs that could be had for cheap.
https://hoopshype.com/lists/2023-nba-free-agent-top-point-guards/
Some media are already reporting Cronin is just "trying to milk this Dame situation" that there's already a reasonable deal. Blazers fans are increasingly getting agitated with the Heat crying for a "better deal". Lots of them really heartbroken abt the separation hoping they'll get something good in return. That "good" seems too much that's why this is dragging on.
I think the math is pretty tricky from the side of Blazers fans. Over the past year, there have basically been two camps. One side that wanted to trade Dame and fully commit to the rebuild, and one side that wanted to trade the draft pick and fully commit to Dame (as a Blazers fan that grew up watching Pat Riley run the Heat, I was obviously on the side of trading the pick and building around Dame).
Once the Blazers decided to keep the pick and not only commit to a rebuild, but actually used the pick to draft Dame's replacement, the writing was on the wall. Everyone knew the Blazers needed to trade Dame and commit to the rebuild. Everyone including Dame. The only person who doesn't seem to see it is the Blazers GM.
Now this is where things get tricky. The GM (Cronin) basically said he wouldn't trade Dame unless Dame asked for a trade, so Dame asked to be traded to Miami. Fans are upset because they want a huge return for one of the greatest players in franchise history, and it doesn't look like they're going to get it. Maybe it's because of his age and contract, maybe its because they have an incompetent GM. But when you're angry and looking for someone to blame, the easiest explanation is that it's because Dame only wants to go to Miami and Miami doesn't want to gut their team for Dame.
With that in mind, it's almost impossible to come up with a trade that works for Miami that won't enrage Blazers fans. Lots of them are already saying they'd rather do a worse trade just so they don't send Dame to Miami. Fortunately for the Heat, the fans aren't the ones that are making the trade. But unfortunately for the Heat, it's hard to envision a scenario where Cronin sends Dame to Miami for a reasonable and realistic trade and doesn't get absolutely roasted by the fans, which is one of the reasons he's afraid to pull the trigger on a trade.
Do you enjoy being on both sides of the fence?
I enjoy being a fan of the Heat and a fan of the Blazers. I haven't really enjoyed watching this trade unfold, it feels like the incompetence of the Cronin administration that has ruined the last two years of Blazers basketball is now starting to effect the Heat as well. I definitely watch more Blazers games in the regular season, and watch more Blazers games with my kids. But once the playoffs start, I watch way more Heat basketball, because the Heat usually go further.
One other thing, I have been on HHH for a long time. I used to talk Blazers on Twitter, but I quit twitter about a year ago, and this has been my first year on Blazers Edge. I can say with 100% certainty that i enjoy HHH way more than BE
Cronin knew what he was doing going in. At least he though he knew. He and the owner (Jody Allen) planned to rebuild from the beginning. The plan was to promise Dame to build a contender around him then to reneg on that promise. They knew this would piss Dame off and result in a trade request. Allen/Cronin then figured to put Dame out on the open market and get a huge haul like the ones paid for KD, Gobert and Mitchell, in order to kick-start their re-build.
Unfortunately for them, Dame threw a monkey wrench into their plans by demanding a trade...to one specific team...the Miami Heat. Furthermore, he limited their options by indicating he would not play for any other team.
The best laid plans of mice and men (and owners), sometimes don't work out as expected. Now Portland has a cancer growing in their organization and among their fanbase, all because the Portland owner and GM were not honest with Dame from the beginning about their intent to rebuild. Had they been, he could have given them a list of several contending teams he would agree to be traded to and Portland could have gotten that big haul they were expecting. Instead, they are now dealing with the fallout.
Portland fans should be in an uproar. Allen needs to sell the team to a more competent and proactive owner, as Phoenix did. Then and only then will things improve. Meanwhile, we all wait for the inevtable.
I'm of the opinion that Cronin has no idea what he's doing. Amongst most Portland fans, the theory is that they're trying to rebuild, but want to keep Dame to sell tickets. Lots of people want Jody Allen to sell the team, but I'm worried that will result in the leaving town
I don't doubt Allen will be looking to sell the team and the headache she created, in the not-too-distant future. I feel for the fans. I followed the Suns for over 40 years until I could no longer stomach the previous owner, Sarver and and the previous GM, McDonough. I've been a Heat fan since Dragic demanded to be traded to Miami after getting f'd over in Phoenix. Been happy ever since.
The blazers aren’t getting fair or equal trade value for Dame once the fan base(blazers)stop listening to the ESPN shills and fat slobs the better they’ll be
Predict that Cronin will ask for him and every other played not named Buttler or Bam, if what I "hear" from "league sources" is true.
Maybe there is going to be a breakthough. NBA Trade Rumors: One Portland Trail Blazers reporter suggests that the Miami Heat and Blazers are close to a reasonable deal for Damian Lillard.
https://sircharlesincharge.com/2023/07/20/nba-trade-rumors-heat-blazer-close-deal-lillard/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email&sc=e0273490fd355e2c28bdb25751d41af65a4dd80936ff00a80be9866c97887955
That comment was from over a week ago. Cronin is in bunker mode hoping he comes out after the nuclear winter